tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post7496653098206991889..comments2023-09-05T03:44:01.651-04:00Comments on Magdalene's Musings: Swarming with the No on 8 CrowdMagdalene6127http://www.blogger.com/profile/11036211735489393308noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-26743905673087114022008-10-29T22:30:00.000-04:002008-10-29T22:30:00.000-04:00Great and thought provoking post. When I have arg...Great and thought provoking post. When I have argued in favor of gay and lesbian marriage, it has been because I believe that people who want to avail themselves of marriage in the sacramental sense (ok, so Protestants don't view marriage as a sacrament, but you get the idea) should be supported, encouraged, helped,and married. But I had not thought in terms of clergy as agents of the state. And now that I do -- no, it's not a good way of doing civil business.Gannet Girlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16374279595560691174noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-41131084805814963322008-10-28T22:38:00.001-04:002008-10-28T22:38:00.001-04:00another great one...another great one...Diane M. Rothhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07749136181846671327noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-68157141744020250332008-10-28T22:38:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:38:00.000-04:00This is terrific, Mags--I absolutely agree about g...This is terrific, Mags--I absolutely agree about getting the church out of the state's business and vice versa.<BR/><BR/>And thanks, BTW, for your kindness.Choralgrrlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06657324651887737580noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-59767578381344569172008-10-28T22:20:00.000-04:002008-10-28T22:20:00.000-04:00I 100% agree. I have talked with my session about...I 100% agree. I have talked with my session about my discomfort with being an agent of he state. This has puzzled them greatly, since my predecessor did at least 40 weddings a year, as a side-job. (He rented himself and church out for them.)<BR/><BR/>Anyway, if I still lived in CA, I would be voting NO on 8!Juleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18324456402703897094noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-54840802359026673162008-10-28T21:56:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:56:00.000-04:00What a great post. I don't understand the need to...What a great post. I don't understand the need to keep full civil rights from anyone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-11131284356795483992008-10-28T21:52:00.000-04:002008-10-28T21:52:00.000-04:00Right on. In France when you get married you alwa...Right on. In France when you get married you always go before the mayor (or other justice of the peace - equivalent; it always used to be the mayor or deputy mayor of your town or neighborhood). That's your civil, legal marriage. Then later -- later in the day, later that week -- if you want, you go before the religious community have your religious ceremony.<BR/><BR/>'course hardly anyone gets married in France any more. Or at least half the population doesn't bother. (Note: they don't have gay-lesbian marriage but they have had civil unions for both lesbian/gay folks and straight folks for many years.) The daughter of a friend of my brother's was married there recently and the civil ceremony was very beautiful apparently, and the official who performed it, when complimented, said "hardly anyone gets married any more so we want to make it beautiful."Jane Rhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13814517077774999407noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-68285583393061315552008-10-28T20:34:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:34:00.000-04:00Brava brava brava! One of the things that really g...Brava brava brava! <BR/><BR/>One of the things that really gets me going (and FWIW this is often mentioned by many priests I know, but then you know that I am not around so many right wing RCs) - that marriage, a civil matter, is all "churched" up in a confusing and damaging way.<BR/><BR/>No on 8, let people be.Franhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07181529277715646835noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-35875139432387454262008-10-28T20:14:00.000-04:002008-10-28T20:14:00.000-04:00I really agree, I would rather not be an agent of ...I really agree, I would rather not be an agent of the state but instead be a bless-er of couples.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08235049965406944684noreply@blogger.com