tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post2390230581360860651..comments2023-09-05T03:44:01.651-04:00Comments on Magdalene's Musings: Taking Your Pulse: Choir Section LeadersMagdalene6127http://www.blogger.com/profile/11036211735489393308noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-7626682925947649282009-06-16T23:30:39.474-04:002009-06-16T23:30:39.474-04:00No atheists spend much of their life singing in ch...No atheists spend much of their life singing in choirs. That would be an oxymoron if you think about it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-87784896076712769292009-06-16T23:27:47.177-04:002009-06-16T23:27:47.177-04:00i am one of those singers, having sung in choirs s...i am one of those singers, having sung in choirs since i was 5. I have sung all my life in choirs - was brought up Presbyterian by my Catholic mother (go figure!) and have sung exclusively in Catholic choirs for the past 15 years. My Bass voice is becoming dominant, but have done a lot of Baritone and Tenor over the years and surprisingly still have my Soprano and Alto voices at age 64. It just takes practice to keep them up.<br /> i have done some paid choir gigs, most notably in Pittsburgh while at PITT and in my early career as an engineer. Now I am readying for retirement and will look for a choir section leader position located somewhere between Pittsburgh and Madison. My wife and I want to be closer to family. I will be up at the NPM convention in Chicago in July with my antenna out for a position. Its hard to retire from a full time career of 42 years without doing something serious. So choir is my thing. I am also a trombonist on the side in a large City Band and am taking up tuba and guitar (and maybe cello or string bass) in retirment. i would like to settle in near a college or university with a decent music program and go to school at the same time. I do think that more serious musicians and vocalists need more serious and challenging assignments or they will lose interest. Does that sound unusual?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-68690303193724231732008-12-06T13:18:00.000-05:002008-12-06T13:18:00.000-05:00Maybe my suggestion is way too simplistic.To the p...Maybe my suggestion is way too simplistic.<BR/><BR/>To the people who raise this concern ("When I hear the choir, I value knowing that they are members of this community. If we are paying section leaders, there will be folks up there who are not members of this community. What if someone up there is an atheist, just there for the paycheck?") what about saying: why don't we try this, but pray about it, leave it in God's hands that the right people whose gifts are needed here, and/or who need US, will be sent to fill these positions. And then see what happens? Would the people raising these concerns be able to do such a thing? Or even, do it as an experiment in faith?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-28173939068506871802008-01-20T23:46:00.000-05:002008-01-20T23:46:00.000-05:00Hi Mags,RE the underlying the reason for resistanc...Hi Mags,<BR/><BR/>RE the underlying the reason for resistance: I have found small church folk are often suspicious of things that are "too good" and dont like things that are inordinately polished or fancy or professional. Maybe this is just in teh kind of churches I am drawn to. But "will there be a place for me here if things get too nice?" might be udner some of it.<BR/><BR/>RE: A good idea I've wanted to try.<BR/>One time I read (was it on a revgal blog somewhere?) the idea of offering music scholarships to college students in exchange for singing. I've been thinking of trying this at my place sometime, esp for men, as I think we could shake loose some endowment monies for "scholarships" (whcih we would not be able to access so easily for "that greedy choir director.")<BR/><BR/>Not sure if this helps in your case, but that's the thought I have just now.<BR/><BR/>I haven't been much of a blogger or commenter lately, but I do so often think of us and our parallel journeys. Hope things are going well for you mostly, four months in.Jennifer Garrison Brownellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10170014214291920971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-58699634396460515962008-01-20T07:58:00.000-05:002008-01-20T07:58:00.000-05:00Accck! Gord... I love the quote: If the devil is g...Accck! Gord... I love the quote: <I>If the devil is going to come into your church...</I><BR/><BR/>Praying for your father, and you, and all affected by his coming to the end of his life.<BR/><BR/>Peace,<BR/><BR/>MagsMagdalene6127https://www.blogger.com/profile/11036211735489393308noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-14842536216975621762008-01-19T10:15:00.000-05:002008-01-19T10:15:00.000-05:00This is close to home for me. I am an elder in a s...This is close to home for me. I am an elder in a small PC in Toronto. The church was close to the end and actually came back from the dead when an amazing Choir Director and Minister came at once. After the Minister left, we got a new younger minister and he hit the ground running. Our Music Director became internationally reknowned in Church Music circles and amazing musicians walked off the street (well not really but it seemed that way) to participate. Then the Music Director asked for more money.<BR/><BR/>The fecal matter met the oscillator in short order. Session was split down the middle and after a year of hard feelings and debate about where we were at as a congregation, the Music Director left (and about 33% of our annual offerings). This was four years ago and our current minister has given his notice and is moving on.<BR/><BR/>I felt at the time and still do that the whole issue (or at least the people on the other side of the issue) defined being penny wise and pound foolish. But it really brought up all kinds of things about how people live together in community and what they value about worship (which after all is the the flip side of social justice and very important for a progressive Christian Community).<BR/><BR/>During the time my brother-in-law (an Aglican/Episcopal priest) said he was told "if the devil gets into your church he will probably come through the choir."<BR/><BR/>On a happier note, you seem to have a good perspective on this and have handled it well to date. I'm sure God will go with you because of your love for the members of your existing choir (and God might well convert the atheist singer, I've seen it happen and the Lord works in mysterious ways).<BR/><BR/>Anyway, thank you for letting me vent.<BR/><BR/>P.S. My father is coming to the end of his life and I'd appreciate any prayers/good thoughts from this community. I come here often and love it.gordbrownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06741420085642720240noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-3027942430688040392008-01-16T17:31:00.000-05:002008-01-16T17:31:00.000-05:00I don't have a opinion on the singing, sorry.I alw...I don't have a opinion on the singing, sorry.<BR/>I always preferred brass(instrument) accompaniment to the singing, just my opinion.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09376092948526809123noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-49641968508736281072008-01-16T09:20:00.000-05:002008-01-16T09:20:00.000-05:00I have no advice. Big Church is in the midst of a...I have no advice. Big Church is in the midst of a different Choir Controversy and I know how passionate people can be. Folks outside the church would be quite surprised to know how much heartache is involved in the church choir! Blessings to you.Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10354677555829675296noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-33185052.post-21060336693440869512008-01-16T09:06:00.000-05:002008-01-16T09:06:00.000-05:00Hmm...if I were to guess, I'd say the vehemence yo...Hmm...if I were to guess, I'd say the vehemence you describe suggests some deeper issue at play. Perhaps they feel that finances are tight and resent what they view as an unnecessary expenditure?stevehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03275381128126684009noreply@blogger.com